Muon Is Theoretically Wrong For Convolutions, But Empirically Effective
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arXiv:2610.07103v1 Announce Type: cross Abstract: Muon, an optimizer known for its efficiency, has a clear interpretation for matrix-valued updates, but convolutional kernels are stored as four-dimensional tensors. Standard implementations reshape these tensors into matrices, a shortcut which breaks the theoretical understanding behind Muon. To investigate this, we formalize the corresponding optimization objective directly in convolutional operator geometry and introduce Convolutional Newton-Schulz (Conv-NS), which approximates the polar factor in this geometry while preserving kernel support
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- arXiv:2610.07103v1 Announce Type: cross Abstract: Muon, an optimizer known for its efficiency, has a clear interpretation for matrix-valued updates, but convolutional kernels are stored as four-dimensional tensors.
- Standard implementations reshape these tensors into matrices, a shortcut which breaks the theoretical understanding behind Muon.
- To investigate this, we formalize the corresponding optimization objective directly in convolutional operator geometry and introduce Convolutional Newton-Schulz (Conv-NS), which approximates the polar factor in this geometry while preserving kernel support
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